…or not… depends on what you consider RnR anyways.
For me it’s all about getting some quality time with friends, recreational games and relaxing moments.
OK let me rephrase that… it’s about playing EVE with friends!! 
I have been traveling for work all week and didn’t have time to play at all. While on the plane (about 10hr mid-air this week alone) I was listening to the Missions Collide podcast – these folks have a great show you really need to listen – great information even for non-mission runners like us. I lost some interesting moments like when our Orca was jumped by a group of some nice folk and we decided to pay the one Billion ISK ransom than to lose it, the stuff it had inside & the implants on my alt’s head. Well sometimes you win… sometimes you learn…
Learnings:
a. Never use your Orca for ore hauler – yes it’s effective and efficient if you are *that* bored to use an itty but it’s expensive if you lose it – and not mention that if you do use it make sure you empty it’s cargo from anything valuable before you take it out. Yes that includes the ships in the maintenance array. Leave it inside your POS, have all 3 links running and go risk your Hulks and haulers instead. Also – don’t use drones – but we’ll cover that some other time.
b. Pay the ransom if you believe that the money they ask is less than what’s worth it to you. Not sentimental values or any that crap. ISK of ship + mods + implants + time. Time maybe hard to calculate on the fly, but for wormhole living it’s at least a week to be able to find a suitable wormhole exit to be able to bring back inside an Orca. One week with the Orca at the helm of Mining Ops will net us much more than 1 Bill so correctly we decided to pay.
c. If you are a pirate reading this *clears throat* and you see an Orca in a Wormhole system with 2 Refineries and 2 Large POSes and 4 Corp Hangar Arrays might worth more than 1 Bill… just putting it out there… Emphasis on “wormhole system” :-p
Now we have learned on how to use the lack of local to our advantage and inside wormhole space our efficiency has greatly improved but we really suck at typical 0.0 warfare. Having 3 bombers cloaked really isn’t much of a surprise to anyone if they know there are people in local. Not something we learned from this encounter other than that we need to get ourselves trained. Our efficiency in non-wspace 0.0 just sucks.
In the near future we will be taking the Agony Unleashed PVP training as a corp. We might have more details to disclose during the next Planet Risk Show, but if you would be interested to participate on the same group with us, post a comment here to let us know or drop me an eve-mail.
Now, on another note… I’ve been trying to catch up with the EVE Blog Pack… man too many good blogs I don’t have the time to read them all! So I won’t mention anyone yet till I get the chance to read them all and pick my favorites.
However, a special mention goes out to Star Defender of EVE Wormholes, who inspired me to start this post about RnR since he is now back in k-space training for his Itty V before he returns into wormhole space.
This particular discussion got me thinking about lawless space and the importance of having a group of people to share your experiences with. Going out in lawless space can be a bit scary and difficult for solo gameplay, but if you add more people it gets… more interesting to say the least! If these folks are on your team then it’s awesome. But sometimes you meet folks not from your side of the pond. There is the NRDS (Not Red Don’t Shoot) approach… and the kill-everyone-who-is-not-in-your-corporation approach…
…Or NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) as they call it. We operate under NBSI not only inside Planet Risk but also in adjustent systems. There was a guy who once told me that we act like pirates (we did kill and pod him along with 2 of his corpmates)… but he was inside Planet Risk, not using directional and not using combat probes. Although we might have overreacted a bit (ye apologies on decimating your corpse then asking you to pay us ransom so we don’t burn your pos etc etc) but… in fact this is 0.0 space and you must expect that other folks want to rape and kill you… It makes you a bit paranoid about your own safety and that’s a good thing for EvE.
d. Not using directional will get you killed folks.
e. Make sure there are no POSes before you even decloak to launch probes.
On a similar note, one can solo wormholes in a class 2 maybe even in Class 3, but it’s so much better to get into a corporation with other wormholeers. It’s not about managing the logistics more efficiently or if you will burn out if you solo everything (you will at some point) but it’s about the fun you will have and the awesome moments you will share with friends in a Multiplayer Game!
I know that last week I was away from the game, I didn’t miss the cold metal of my internet spaceship. I missed the fun we have with my friends and corpmates when we play the game. Sharing the good and the bad moments with friends and having a laugh about it is what MMOs are about.
QP
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#1 by Mynxee on September 27, 2009 - 17:50
Ha! Don’t fly a loaded Orca unscouted thru low sec either, like I did. Got lucky and made it without incident but it was an extremely nervous little while until that thing was safe in high sec 5 jumps later.
I took Agony’s PvP Basics course and enjoyed it a ton. Fun group.
Why should you apologize for defending your colonized space? Don’t. Them’s the breaks for anyone who is foolish enough to be so oblivious. This is not a “sunshine, unicorns, and fairies” game.
#2 by Tony "EVE's Weekend Warrior" on September 27, 2009 - 18:59
Some good lessons guys! Keep up the good work and yea, EVE is some good RnR
#3 by Estar Tarns on September 27, 2009 - 23:33
aww, missed you too QP <3
Sorry I wasn't there to save you all in Geminate, I was out drinking.
#4 by Eowarian on September 28, 2009 - 10:30
As being the newbie in SI Radio Corporation (since a few hours \o/ ) I would like to apply for the PvP training.
I experienced PvP only once, in a corp tournament, but other then that, I’m a real rookie on/in 0.0 and PvP combat.
So, this training would be more then welcome!
#5 by Acinom on September 28, 2009 - 19:01
What I found so amazing from Star Defender was that he did talk first before he shot when some one came to mine his system. In fact from reading this wonderful blog you can realize mining might not be worth it.
I do not understand you position of being pro-carebear and loving yanking people. Maybe once again I have a different defintion of the term carebear. I have played this game for almost 4 years I have about 10 deaths ( and 2 that were just plain halariously stupid) and 0 kills. I do stay in empire.
Now I completely agree with both you and Star defender that you need to have scan up to see what is happening.
But my main point is that you do not have to kill to play the game. There are 3 other real life freinds that have been on for a while with 0 kills … Well one is looking to 0.0 so I hope that changes. Errr. I digress a lot… Point is that a MMO does not equate to killing people with your mates. It can be exploring or mining ( yes some people enjoy it ). Or even mission running. Check out help my mission channel. I can help people without killing them. There is no true end game for MMOs. Eve has no “raid” / well ok you CAN raid very much into other territories. But there is epic Goonswarm/Kenzoku Boss that you can kill to disolve the alliance.
Now I agree that when 10+ battleships enter your wormhole space you have every right to defend yourself. I am very happy to hear TeaDaze helping you and your overcoming adversity. And if you were to reralitate and go after there POS that would make sense. But attacking a hulk just because does not seem to effect your economy. The sleeper sites seem to be more of an isk generator.
That said I want to be perfectly clear – I have 1% of 1% of your wormhole knowledge. So a hulk might be critical to you. I’m just going off of my limited class 2 knowledge
Second to last thought – you are right. There are much more blood thirsty people in the game. I do read all the blogs from capsuleer ( congratualtions for both of you btw). But I finally found a person in Star Defender that does talk first and ask shoot later. So I wanted to say that NBSI doesn’t have to bd the name of the game. You can make money and still get along with peope
and lastly. Planet Risk is a great show. I was little depressed this weekend not being able to listen to it. You guys are doing great
Acinom
#6 by Selina on September 28, 2009 - 19:21
Blah, don’t listen to the guy claiming you to be pirates or even committing pirate acts. Even us k-space 0.0 dwellers don’t consider ourselves pirates. It’s your space (even if you can’t really put your name on it) and you’re just doing what you have to in order to protect it. Besides, part of the definition of being a pirate is breaking laws. Your in lawless space, aka, no laws to be broken. So collect the tears and give a toast I say!
#7 by Luminus Aardokay on September 28, 2009 - 19:34
Hello Acinom and thank you for your Feedback.
The beauty of eve lies in its sandbox and how it allows people to define their own play style as well as decide on what their views and attitude will be towards other players (always in game terms that is).
Even though after witnessing wormhole life, none of us wants to go back to missioning we do respect each and everyone who likes to do so.. besides we’ve done our fair share of missioning (personally I did that for 3 years).
The same thing goes for miners, industrialists, carebears, pirates, mercs etc..
Now, the key difference between us and star defender is that Star Defender is essentially soloing life in w-space. If you don’t have 10 people to share your profit with, you can share a grav site with a random stranger and still make very good money. If however at the end of the month you gotta split the profit by 10, or 12 or 15, then every resource counts. And since we did go to great lengths and way beyond the play style we were used to as carebears, we do a get a bit “blood thirsty” when people enter, or even more operate in our back yard.
On the logistics side now, each gravimetric site requires a significant amount of time and coordinated effort to be mined dry. When a gravimetric site spawns as a signature on your scanner, it will stay up for about 5 days. If you fly in the site, the site is triggered and it will stay active for 3 days. We try to coordinate our mining efforts by not triggering the gravimetric sites available in our system, and arranging to do those when time permits. Your Hulk flying into one of those, triggered it bringing imbalance to our schedule. Pirates in low-sec kill for lesser reasons, if for any reason at all.
We do boast in our show that we grew from being carebears to being newbs. Our carebear days are over and we do examine other aspects of the game, some of them being more violent than others. Personally I hadn’t killed a single pilot during my first 3 years of the game. But now I do get excited when the opportunity for some PVP arises. And yeah, humping a lonesome Hulk might seem like griefing and cowardly, but you grow to do that when you’ve been on the “receiving end hulk” thrice so far =)
Finally, even if we blow each other’s ships to smithereens, behind the screens we’re just normal people with t-shirts and trousers. No eye-patches or peg legs or hooks and parrots =)
#8 by Acinom on September 29, 2009 - 02:58
I have listen and learned a lot from your show. You do make a valid point for chasing people off since they do directly effect you space.