I do believe that 2x Scorps are an overkill, you can still do Class 5′s with just one (or none for most sites).

The real fun is to do Class 5′s with a pure T3 & Logistics fleet about 6 in total are enough.

More on that after we come back in September 2010 with season 2

2x scorpion
1x nighthawk
1x tempest
1x dominix
1x abaddon

6 ships and 30-35 mins to do the site. 45-50 mins total if you include fact that we had so mess around with swapping ships for salvager’s.

With 7 ships this just becomes a joke it’s so easy.

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Well I guess I can say is that we field our ships to take advantage of individual ships and pilots, but we all had to “sacrifice” some training time to take up on certain skills that are bare minimum for taking out such sites.

Regarding the Class 5 sites, we didn’t say that with only 5 ships it’s easy – but it is certainly doable! And if we go with 5 ships usually we only use 3 RR BSs :-p

The site you probably mention is Oruze Osobnyk which means something like “hidden weapons cache” or smth in Russian and we consider it an easy site although the 4 BSs in the first wave might seem a bit daunting.

The Strongholds on the other hand are more difficult and I’d personally go with 6 pilots minimum to avoid any mishaps. But not 2 Scorpions – that’s a waste of a DPS Slot imho.

I do not dough your skills or tactics – the fact that you can clear those sites is proof you are there

I am only suggesting that there might be an easier / faster / more efficient way to do those.

Well we can send detailed fittings of our ships / fleet and detailed tactics of how we do those sites.

If anyone would be interested send me an eve-mail in game and we can have a chat about it

EDIT: your comment was the 200th comment in this blog! You win a shoutout in the next podcast! :-p

We ran today with 2 Scorps, 4 DD/RR (2 Domis, 1 Geddon, 1 Typhoon) and 1 Gank Apoc.
I simply cannot see how you handle these with one Scorp.
When we got the 5BS (3 Wardens, 2 Keeper)/4 Cruiser spawn, there is no way anything can handle that DPS without 2 Scorps.

And the last Stronghold took 45 minutes, strictly with the killing. And we are using more ships than you do.

I would say my crew is pretty proficient in RR and target management, so just cannot see how you do with 5, especially if one is a Eos, which I assume is your point defence boat.

7, yes.

I must say I love the irony in your quote but on the other hand that’s why we say we sell not only the location but also the wormhole-fu of fighting Sleepers. From fleet formation / ships / fittings to all the tacticks before, during and after combat.

There is no “right” way to dispose of Sleepers, each WH Colonists have their own tactics and method of killing / salvaging. I am pretty sure there are better fleet settings than that of our own out there.

2 Scorps sound like overkill imho. With just one Scorp you can effectively mitigate some of the damage done by 4 Advanced Sleeper BSs or keep 2 of them muted for as long as you want. If your tanks can’t hold of 2 or 3 BSs then there is something wrong with your fittings.
See this post to get an idea of what your fittings should be like: http://www.planetriskshow.com/thoughts-on-using-plates-or-not/

Make sure you check out this ship: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/28224-Proteus-Class-5-6-Utility-Ship.html
That has given us a massive boost to the time we need to move to the next site.

…and yes the number of 15Bil a month is feasible with 5-10 active members 3-4hours each day.

Thanks for commenting and don’t take my comments in a bad way – no pun intented.

Our usual optimal fleet is comprised of 7 ships (add one more Mega and our Utility Proteus ship which salvages while we clear the site), which produces the 3 sites per two hours result.

When we increase our force to 10 ships and focus the extra ships on sheer dps, then the sleepers just pop like corn in Sahara.

We do bring in scouts, but they’re usually alts. Besides what you need to focus on is the sound of a wormhole being activated =P (Oh and most of us live in the same timezone).

Now.. I so wish we were that good in pvp too =/

That is before adding any scouts, which are mandatory.

You need a bare minimum of 8 pilots. If you are not running with a scout, you are living dangerously.
We have crit’ed I don’t know how many wh’s that went to 0.0 space before running sites in class 5′s, or closed wh’s to a Goonswarm POS complex in a wh pocket. And you have to leave a scout at any crit’ed wh.

So I have no idea where you get your numbers from re: minimum quantities to run a class 5.

And my crew has been living in wh’s since they went live on Sisi. We have a fair bit of experience.

As for the ISK of 15 bill/month……yeah, maybe, under extreme circumstances. You have to have an incredibly dedicated group that play all in the same time zone.

On a basic net worth of loot, the salvaged materials, artifacts and data cores then no, 15bil is not feasible even in a month’s time (unless you deprive the whole corp of sleep). Going through the full chain though and ending up selling the loot and t3 hulls and subsystems the numbers difference is stellar!

If you don’t completely slack out, then 15 Bil / mo is a very feasible number and it can cover every pilot’s PLEX card and then some for ships and skillbooks, as well as fuel and corp funds.

Note that in these numbers we have not included any ore. We keep all the ore to ourselves for building the things that we need inside Planet Risk. An Orca can fill an Arkonor can in roughly 10-15 minutes and there are tons of it to be mined and sold, if you’re willing to do some serious hauling.