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		<title>I am happy I have a T3 ship and live in wspace</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wspace colonists really can&#8217;t catch a break with T3 ships &#8211; can we?! Last night I got myself into some non-consensual PVP&#8230; and almost lost my brand new Tengu&#8230; and by the looks of it&#8230; I might have lost it and never realized that the ship I was flying had a weird bug&#8230; Here is [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last night I got myself into some non-consensual PVP&#8230; and almost lost my brand new Tengu&#8230; and by the looks of it&#8230; I might have lost it and never realized that the ship I was flying had a weird bug&#8230;</p>
<address><em>Here is the story:</em></address>
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<div>I wanted to check to see if the C1 wormhole leading to highsec, had still enough time and mass left to make a couple of hauling runs to bring in some stuff for the POS.</div>
<p>I need to point out, that usually I would take my Cov Ops fitted Tengu when moving in hostile space. However I decided to spend some ISK and build me a nice gank and tank Tengu setup, so I was giving it a try.</p>
<p>So I board my new Tengu <em>from the Ship Maintenance Array</em>, get the bookmarks for the high sec exit from the can (always remember to leave a copy back), and head to the Class 1 static. Stability looks good here, jump inside, check directional.. check directional again.. all good, decloak, warp to the C1 (while spamming directional), activate hardeners before I land on the high sec exit&#8230; all good so far&#8230;</p>
<div>The WH leading to highsec looks stable enough, now I should head back to get my hauler&#8230;</div>
<div><em><strong>*sound of wormhole jump*</strong></em></div>
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<div style="text-align: right;">Someone just jumped in! Sweeeet!!! Time to test my new Tengu!!</div>
<p>I activate my weapons, overheat the scrambler, fire up the AB and start orbiting the hole &#8211; waiting for the target to decloak&#8230; a few seconds pass&#8230; nothing&#8230; hmm that&#8217;s probably someone who is waiting for the session timer to end before jumping ba&#8230;</p>
<div style="text-align: right;">aha! Harbringer! gooood! He is no match for my &#8230;</div>
<div><strong><em>*sound of wormhole jump*</em></strong></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">Oh this can&#8217;t be good..</div>
<div><em><strong>*sound of wormhole jump*</strong></em></div>
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<div style="text-align: right;">Oh shit&#8230;</div>
<p>The wormhole at that point is looking really small and by showing info I see that&#8217;s on the verge of collapse.</p>
<p>Meanwhile another habringer joins the fight and I am not sure what was that 3rd ship.</p>
<p>At that time, my shield has a hard time keeping up and I realize that I might lose that ship because I have not even taken down that Harbirnger&#8217;s shield! WTF?! I am supposed to be doing 545 DPS while overloading with my current skills&#8230; anyway.. that&#8217;s not the time to think about those things&#8230;</p>
<p>Overheat my AB, burn the distance (good job on the Harbringers trying to bump me away), and manage to reach it and jump through to the safety of highsec&#8230;</p>
<div><em><strong>*Wormhole collapses*</strong></em></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">Oh great..</div>
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<div>I need to give a shout out to <em><strong>Tal Brasi</strong></em> (the first Harbringer pilot) who after chatting with me in wspace colonists channel, offered me the new static signature and the new highsec system so I was back inside Planet Risk not more than an hour later. I was expecting some kind of &#8220;welcoming party&#8221; there but oh well&#8230; we&#8217;ll meet again someplace, someday <img src='http://www.planetriskshow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  GF!</div>
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<p>Now after I am back safely into PR, I start digging to find out how my new Tengu that was supposed to be dishing out pain and suffering couldn&#8217;t even bend the shields from that Harbringer, even with overloaded launchers&#8230;</p>
<p>Fire up EVEHQ and head to the fitting tool and the Audit tab. Then back to the in-game screen.. Then back again.. then.. aha!</p>
<p>Here are the relevant skills I have:</p>
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<div>- Warhead Upgrades IV</div>
<div>- Heavy Assault Missiles IV</div>
<div>- Missile Projection IV</div>
<div>- Caldari Offensive Subsystem V</div>
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<div>Based on the above, using &#8216;Arbalest&#8217; Heavy Assault Missile Launchers with Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missiles, I should have per single Missile:</div>
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<div>- Kinetic Damage: 186,3 HP</div>
<div>- Missile Velocity: 4725 m/sec</div>
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<p>However, within EVE I had:</p>
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<div>- Kinetic Damage: 149,04 HP</div>
<div>- Missile Velocity: 315 m/sec</div>
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<p>This results in my ship dealing <strong>253,62 DPS</strong> (with 3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System in the Low Slots)<strong> from 18,9KM range</strong>, instead of the expected <strong>494,65 DPS</strong> from<strong> 28,3KM</strong>.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The numbers I observed where consistent with what would be if my Caldari Offensive Subsystem skill was at level 0 (zero).</span></strong></p>
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<p>OK then, petition time. I have to give a thumbs up to CCP GMs here who replied really fast saying:</p>
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<div><em><strong>&#8220;Did you try logging off and on again?&#8221;</strong></em></div>
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<div>GG</div>
<div>. . .</div>
<p>Seriously tho, to cut a long story short, <strong>the issue is a confirmed bug</strong> and I have submitted a detailed bug report and reproduction steps.</p>
<p><strong>The problem lies with the Ship Assembly Array at the POS.</strong> Apparently more T3 ships have reported such issues, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">so if you are flying a T3 ship, boarded from a Ship Assembly Array in a POS &#8211; make sure to check that your bonuses are applied properly!</span></p>
<p>So these where my thoughts after the dust settled&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Wspace colonists really can&#8217;t catch a break with T3 ships inside wspace.</strong></p>
<p>Besides the fact that I cannot change T3 subsystems unless I am in a station, I have discovered that every time I board my ship from the Ship Maintenance Array of my POS, the bonuses I should be getting from the Caldari Offensive Subsystem Skill at level V (that I have trained) are not applied.</p>
<p>If I logoff and then quickly log back on again, before my ship engages the emergency warp drive, the bonuses applied are still the wrong ones.</p>
<p>If I logoff, wait a couple of minutes and then relog, always while flying my Tengu, the correct bonuses are applied.</p>
<p>If I store my ship in the SMA, the next time I&#8217;ll pick it up I&#8217;ll have the same problem again.</p>
<p>Since I can&#8217;t change my subsystem while at my POS (still no news from CCP about this) I can&#8217;t confirm for any different subsystems and/or other T3 ships.</p>
<p>Oh the joys of living in wspace!!!</p>
<p>Any of you guys can confirm similar strange behavior?</p>
<p>QP</p>
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